tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22934142.post7947401827903854182..comments2024-01-20T06:39:01.248-05:00Comments on Ian Andrew's "Caddy Shack": Undulating Tees - Don't Make SenseIan Andrewhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06778036519095579401noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22934142.post-53982984095987544442022-04-17T05:19:23.847-04:002022-04-17T05:19:23.847-04:00For what it’s worth Chambers Bay looks like a grea...For what it’s worth Chambers Bay looks like a great Modern course and is perhaps the rival to Whistling Straights for the Best Modern Style course ever built.<br /><a href="http://www.faisalabadfabricstore.com/product-category/lawn-replica-shop/maria-b/" rel="nofollow">maria b lawn replica wholesale</a><br /><a href="http://www.faisalabadfabricstore.com/product-category/lawn-replica-shop/maria-b/" rel="nofollow">maria b catalogue wholesale</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22934142.post-56856270600025861752010-05-30T23:19:40.990-04:002010-05-30T23:19:40.990-04:00blogging in action -
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To proclaim that NO player would EVER...Mr. Andrew,<br /><br />To proclaim that NO player would EVER choose a non-flat lie to help achieve a desired ball flight (especially in windy conditions) is ridiculous and irresponsible. Having worked as a caddie at Bandon Dunes and as a single digit handicap, I have used similar features on Crenshaw/Coore's Trails intentionally, thereby making your statement false. Whether or not these two genius designers/artists intended their tee box "designs" for this purpose is certainly debatable. Nonetheless, there is at least one player who finds this opportunity worthwhile. It does make some sense and could even be construed as a truly original idea or even as "old school". <br /><br />Having played many great courses around the world - Banff & Highland Links, Sunningdale, Woking, Swinley Forest, The Addington, Ganton, Alwoodley, Rye, Royal St. George's, & Deal, Ballybunion, Lahinch, Portmarnock, & Royal County Down, and Cypress Point & all three Bandon tracks - I would even go out on a limb and say that this idea might have been considered before (even subconsciously) by the masters of the Golden Age given what I have seen at these special places where tees are rarely completely level. This possibility might even make Jones' idea a throwback design feature.<br /><br />Still, I wouldn't dare claim to know what ALL golfers consider useful or useless design attributes. In fact, I would argue that the best design features are those where opinions vary the most.<br /><br />Just out of curiosity, what is your playing background?<br /><br />Cheerscwlozierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13922395279102334649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22934142.post-82483310411728203382009-11-28T16:59:11.148-05:002009-11-28T16:59:11.148-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.cwlozierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13922395279102334649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22934142.post-91162065552824131792009-10-26T16:57:05.254-04:002009-10-26T16:57:05.254-04:00so, does the golfer assume that the lies of the te...so, does the golfer assume that the lies of the tee are sloped side to side to the direction of the tee, what about front to back?<br /><br />If the tee is sloped I do like the "help" it provides. Providing the shot calls for that help from the slope. Lord help me when I have to L to R when the slope is R to L.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22934142.post-17012953606308585372008-03-28T20:01:00.000-04:002008-03-28T20:01:00.000-04:00Having played Chambers Bay twice, I didn't even no...Having played Chambers Bay twice, I didn't even notice the supposed unevenness of the tees. They certainly are free flowing with plenty of slope in the transitions, but they're pretty flat (at least where the staff positioned the tee markers).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22934142.post-12173288235057013662008-02-14T14:40:00.000-05:002008-02-14T14:40:00.000-05:00Ian,I agree, the ability to shape a shot from the ...Ian,<BR/><BR/>I agree, the ability to shape a shot from the tee should be based more upon the player's creativity and skill in adjusting grip, stance, swing plane, etc in order to shape the shot, rather than prowling the tee looking for that one spot in the tee where the architect deemed he/she can use to shape their shot. It is another case of dumbing down design in my view.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22934142.post-23104380802557173302008-02-14T08:14:00.000-05:002008-02-14T08:14:00.000-05:00"You can't call yourself a "minimalist" designer a..."You can't call yourself a "minimalist" designer and then poo-poo tees that aren't artificially flattened."<BR/><BR/>If that is the standard now - I'm not a minimalist.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Kelly,<BR/><BR/>My eyes have been opened to players shaping shots of of certain lies - but like you I'm not going to create this intentionally.Ian Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06778036519095579401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22934142.post-67092944118022583962008-02-14T07:19:00.000-05:002008-02-14T07:19:00.000-05:00Ian,I most definately look for a favorable tilt on...Ian,<BR/><BR/>I most definately look for a favorable tilt on a tee if I want to shape a tee shot. I have always done that and have felt at the very least it settles my mind to know that the ground is in my favor. However, that does not mean I want my tees sloing in different directions purposely.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22934142.post-30603041026025291962008-02-13T22:18:00.000-05:002008-02-13T22:18:00.000-05:00Andrew, I was kinda hoping you'd say something abo...Andrew, I was kinda hoping you'd say something about this.<BR/><BR/>"If the tees were artificially mounded, that would be one thing, but it's not clear that that's the case here."<BR/><BR/>From <A HREF="http://www.danielwexler.com/keeping-score/2008/2/13/merion-pinehurstchambers-bay.html" REL="nofollow">Daniel Wexler</A>: <I>Chambers Bay, a brand-new Tacoma, Washington municipal course attractively spawned from a reclaimed Puget Sound gravel quarry.</I><BR/><BR/>So it is a construct, albeit a very attractive one. But it's hardly minimalist...Philiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06352617464175155214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22934142.post-90303627597885895732008-02-13T18:13:00.000-05:002008-02-13T18:13:00.000-05:00You can't call yourself a "minimalist" designer an...You can't call yourself a "minimalist" designer and then poo-poo tees that aren't artificially flattened. <BR/><BR/>If the tees were artificially mounded, that would be one thing, but it's not clear that that's the case here. <BR/><BR/>Your own website says you believe great golf holes appear as if they were "simply 'found,' rather than created." I guess that doesn't include the tee boxes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22934142.post-19367532422678675402008-02-13T17:49:00.000-05:002008-02-13T17:49:00.000-05:00Most stupid idea I've heard of since the "aquatic ...Most stupid idea I've heard of since the "aquatic driving range"Vic Ferrarihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15627321013152882418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22934142.post-53875231028147943702008-02-13T16:50:00.000-05:002008-02-13T16:50:00.000-05:00More to come tomorrow - this has become a hot topi...More to come tomorrow - this has become a hot topic all of a sudden.Ian Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06778036519095579401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22934142.post-34902433496020550142008-02-13T16:19:00.000-05:002008-02-13T16:19:00.000-05:00What about the tee on the 10th at San Francisco Go...What about the tee on the 10th at San Francisco Golf Club? The tee undulates quite a bit (at least it appears to in photos I've seen).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22934142.post-10901223815616673812008-02-13T12:51:00.000-05:002008-02-13T12:51:00.000-05:00Ian, went over to JS's blog on your suggestion hop...Ian, went over to JS's blog on your suggestion hoping to see a clever quip from you on the subject. If "tempest in a teepot" is correct, wouldn't it just appear more like crappy construction rather than than what they intended?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22934142.post-75343905989266792712008-02-13T12:20:00.000-05:002008-02-13T12:20:00.000-05:00I played Chambers Bay last summer. The tees are m...I played Chambers Bay last summer. The tees are mildly uneven. Not even noticeable in many cases. Certainly not enough slope to help you work the ball. Most of the pitch and roll is where the tees flow into the fairways - not useable in any event. This seems to be a tempest in a "teepot".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22934142.post-22622468019670046822008-02-13T10:48:00.000-05:002008-02-13T10:48:00.000-05:00Ian, I agree with you 100%, this idea makes no sen...Ian, I agree with you 100%, this idea makes no sense at all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22934142.post-1498701049757580632008-02-13T09:43:00.000-05:002008-02-13T09:43:00.000-05:00Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the rules of...Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the rules of golf say you have to tee it up within 2 club lengths and behind the tee markers. How can you have flat, uphill, downhill, and sidehill (left and right) in such a confined space? $100 says before too long, those "batter's boxes" will be expanded into individual 'flat' tees with rough in between.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com