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I get it. What I'm having trouble w...Tom and Ian. I get it. What I'm having trouble with is the notion that the UK has some unique climactic conditions which allow it to successfully manage minimal pesticide & water usage. I've got to believe that from a climate perspective, there has to be somewhere within North America that is similar (perhaps I am misinformed about the east coast, but there has to be somewhere). If that is the case, then it strikes me that the soil characteristics must be unique or something. I guess what I'm getting at is that I just don't accept that they cannot duplicate the UK practice over here - at least somewhere over here (perhaps Long Island or Matha's Vinyard?). Is it more a matter of climate or soil characteristics or grasses?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22934142.post-21269463355696910802008-05-07T22:33:00.000-04:002008-05-07T22:33:00.000-04:00HenryE,Dr. Grant's conclusions were that no cultur...HenryE,<BR/><BR/>Dr. Grant's conclusions were that no cultural practice was capable of dealing with the threat and even if they managed to avoid the snow mold or dollar spot another disease like Pythium was always there to finish them off. The greens need some applications to survive.<BR/><BR/>I think Mr. Snow's point - “Well you’d rather not have any if you had a choice, but your not going to have a golf course if you don’t use some.”- is based upon research and experience. We may wish to remove all pesticides – but this appears to unrealistic up here in this environment <BR/><BR/>What became interesting with Dr. Grant’s research was they quickly found out that “light” chemical use was almost as successful as an unlimited use of chemicals.Ian Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06778036519095579401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22934142.post-30527310441295013312008-05-07T21:08:00.000-04:002008-05-07T21:08:00.000-04:00HenryEI can't speak about the west coast as I have...HenryE<BR/><BR/>I can't speak about the west coast as I have never lived there, but if you think courses on the east coast can do without winter fungicides in particular you are in a dream world. Most of the east coast is snow covered from December to March and the greens would not be much to putt on in the spring without preventative fungicides being used.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22934142.post-38473762586429554472008-05-07T18:39:00.000-04:002008-05-07T18:39:00.000-04:00here in the algarve the greenkeepers are starting ...here in the algarve the greenkeepers are starting to use recycled water , i hope they keep this up as we lack water quite alot.<A HREF="http://www.algarvegolftravel.com/" REL="nofollow">faro airport transfers and algarve golf bookings</A>www.algarvegolftravel.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12254055456998739636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22934142.post-49334739818613207712008-05-07T11:02:00.000-04:002008-05-07T11:02:00.000-04:00Bah! I didn't finish off my point!My question is ...Bah! I didn't finish off my point!<BR/><BR/>My question is this: will the problems with water shortages end up meaning that growing suitable length rough will be problematic to the point that new golf courses are all going to have to be built longer to combat the issue?<BR/><BR/>If so, is that really progress?Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10792863636186950576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22934142.post-20101611595365159022008-05-07T10:37:00.000-04:002008-05-07T10:37:00.000-04:00Ian. I'm not sure I just accept the notion that t...Ian. I'm not sure I just accept the notion that the UK is conducive to turfgrass growth and North America isn't. Is the climate really that different everywhere in North America? The west coast of canada seems pretty wet and temperate. So does the east coast. Are the UK soils unique? - they have courses on the coast & inland & on different soils.<BR/><BR/>Seems to me, Mr. Snow dismisses the issue too easily. His assertion that "the American golfer is not yet ready for that change" may be true, but that can also change.<BR/><BR/>Ian, You've cited the research and opinions of others on this, but I'd be interested in your thoughts. Sorry if you've expressed them already and I've missed it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22934142.post-79453708608508074192008-05-07T09:32:00.000-04:002008-05-07T09:32:00.000-04:00I found Hurdzan's comments interesting, especially...I found Hurdzan's comments interesting, especially regarding the different type of grasses that can be used that require less water.<BR/><BR/>I just got back from Palm Coast and the Tom Watson-designed Conservatory Course at Hammock Beach uses Palspalum throughout the course. I find it interesting that a course that obviously had a design budget that was through the roof (I can only imagine the amount of earth that was moved for that venture) is being sensible about the type of turf it uses to keep their maintenance fees down.<BR/><BR/>I also understand that Palspalum can't really grow into long strands, limiting the amount of growth in the rough. Watson commented on this in an interview I read and said he had to build the Conservatory at 7700+ yards to combat the lack of rough on the course.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10792863636186950576noreply@blogger.com